Is Hydrofluorosilicic Acid a “Fake” Tooth Medicine?

Posted: April 4, 2013 in chapel hill, durham, fluoride, raleigh
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Introduction

A discussion taking place on the subpage “Dentists Against Fluoride” caught my eye recently which I found to be intellectually yielding.    I felt the discourse between “Kyle” and Steve Slott, an admitted pro-fluoridationist, would also be educational for others who are interested in this topic but might not have seen it with it being buried in the comment section on a less prominent page.

This discussion elaborates on the official justification our government uses to add Hydrofluorosilicic acid to our water supply which I have contended vehemently since the inception of our site.  Below I have copied in succinct order the banter between two very different points of view and  made its own post.

Judge for yourself which argument makes the most sense and don’t hesitate to comment on the page to weigh in.

For reference I have also included a copy of the MSDS supplied by Durham’s water management department, which support Kyle’s position that an insufficient number of animal studies have been done on Hydrofluorosilicic acid, the chemical used to systematically medicate all citizens in Raleigh, Durham & Chapel Hill:

Kyle

November 20, 2012 at 4:06 am

Applying fluoride topically is in no way detrimental to your over all health. All fluorides used are anthropogenic meaning man made, and they are not even man made purposefully as they are by products of industry. Hazardous by-products that that, literally they must be disposed of properly as industrial waste, but this is avoided when the compounds are sold privately where like magic they become a product: a fake tooth medicine. Fluoride including natures natural fluoride CaF2 is not an essential nutrient meaning you can go your entire life without it. If you want good teeth then avoid acidic foods and drinks, or when in contact with any acidic foods rinse with or drink regular water as fast as you can which will save you from mineralization.

Steve Slott

March 19, 2013 at 11:40 pm

I suppose that “Kyle” is serious when he authoritatively makes the ridiculous statement that all fluorides used are man made? The hydrofluorosillic acid, refined and diluted for use in water fluoridation systems, is extracted from naturally occurring phosphorite rock in a wet process that also yields phosphoric acid. Phosphoric acid is further refined to be used in fertilizers that are utilized to grow our foods, in soft drinks, and other uses. The HFA and phosphoric acid are co-products of the same process. A “fake tooth medicine”? Well, the first thing I would ask of “Kyle” is that he support this equally ridiculous statement with scientifically accepted studies. As for his advice on how to obtain “good teeth” I would ask that he produce his dental credentials and license to practice dentistry. I would then advise him to contact an attorney to assess his liability for dispensing dental advice under the guise of being authoritative.

Kyle

April 3, 2013 at 5:40 pm

Could you possibly reply with more hate Steve?

Why I stated HFSA or other silicofluorides to be a fake tooth medicine is because they have actually never been tested. The actual fluoride products used in artificial water fluoridation have neither the required animal studies nor the required human studies to determine safety. In the absence of these safety studies, any claims that these products are “safe” are false and misleading. Additionally I say fake tooth medicine because fluoride does not prevent cavities, and rather than typing why I’d prefer to copy and paste as to explain it better and not waste time on replying to your hatred:

“(ref 4) Tooth enamel (essentially calcium phosphate) reacts with all acids to form cavities (see any chemistry text dealing with solubilities). The proton of the acid pulls the phosphate right out of the enamel, and fast. By drinking a sip of water along with the acid during eating, the acid reacts chemically with water immediately to form hydronium ion and thus the enamel is saved. One can use milk or coffee for the same purpose, since they are both non-acidic. Dr. Albert Schatz, Nobelist who discovered streptomycin, found several decades ago that sharks’ teeth with their excessive fluoride would dissolve just as readily in citric acid as ordinary non-fluoridated teeth, laying to rest the hypothesis that fluoride would stop cavities. The dental people (American Dental Association) pushed aside this discovery and Dr. Schatz’ discoveries regarding excessive baby mortalities caused by fluoridation in Chili, South America as insignificant. They returned his mail 3x unopened and would not deal with him.”

As for you saying I make comments “authoritatively”, honestly I’m just trying to ensure that people not be mass medicated and especially not done so without proper warnings. For years warnings have existed that infants not have their formulas made up with fluoridated water and what average person knows that? You label me “authoritative” for wanting to place and end to AWF while promoters like yourself literally shove a medication and poison down peoples throats an in a method which the chemical is absolutely unavoidable! And you want to call me authoritative? Get a hold of yourself Steve, and please look in the mirror.

As for my advice on how to obtain good teeth I stated the short and sweet summary of what Dr. Gerard F. Judd, Ph.D., Chemistry and Fluoride Researcher covers in his book Good Teeth, Birth to Death. And honestly while you ridicule me, dentists continue to promote fluoridation when in fact they have no say in the matter. Dentists see teeth, not the body, and what is fluoride exposed to in AWF? Every cell of the human body of course. We know fluoride devastates the thyroid, and what do dentists know about the thyroid? Nor do they know anything in toxicology, risk assessment, the bones, the brain, the pineal gland and so much more.

I won’t waste time replying to you again Steve so don’t bother antagonizing myself. Thanks.

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Comments
  1. Steven D. Slott, DDS says:

    Well, Corey, I see you left out my final reply to Kyle. This is typical of the manner in which antifluoridationists “argue ” their position, so I’m not in the least surprised.

    BTW, your ridiculous argument that fluoride added to water at 0.7 ppm is completely refuted by the fact that fluoride water additives are under the full control of the EPA. Were it a “drug” or “medication” it would be under the control of the FDA. Although the FDA must classify it as a drug for the sole reason of its stated use in drinking water, fluoride is simply a mineral, identical to that which exists in water fluoridated or not. Antifluoridationists have repeatedly tried the “forced medication” gambit in the courts where it has been rejected every time, for the reasons I just stated.

    Corey, please do everyone a favor and properly educate yourself on this issue. Your continued sole reliance on misinformation you glean from “fluoridealert.org” and other biased antifluoridationist websites keeps you in the dark and subject to having your arguments easily refuted by the facts supported by valid scientific evidence.

    Steven D. Slott, DDS

    • Hi Steven,

      If you wish to have a platform to spout your fallacious public health propaganda, you should not look to “Durham Against Fluoride.com.” You might instead consider setting up your own website up like I have, and finding citizens to educate on why you think adding Fluoride to their drinking water is a great idea. Of course you wouldn’t need to do that, since the Government already has endless piles of taxpayer money to spend paying DDS’s like you to represent the “Public Health Department,” and perpetuate this fraud. Talk to Rebecca King, Jean Spratt, or Kevin Buchholtz, if you want to know what I’m talking about.

      I find it incredibly ironic you attack me via internet comments, accusing me of editorializing your nonsense as to be biased and not present both sides. Steven did I not already offer you the option of debating me in public, and broadcasted on the internet so that the viewers could hear both lines of thinking so they could better decide which makes sense? As you know I did make this generous offer but a pro-fluoridationist like Steven Slott refuses and must only argue their case during closed-door ad hoc meetings, cowardly sitting behind their keyboard, or in the halls of academia where the fluoridation fraud is enshrined.

      Of course I’m biased Steven – I am biased against the Government who adds a neurotoxin to our water supply so why would I promote your drivel?

      When will you understand that I just do not find your compartmentalized opinions to be rational, intellectually yielding or educational whatsoever for the readers of this site? I will never apologize for leaving out your dense ramblings, as to not utterly confuse them. If you truly believe to have the most correct opinion then you should welcome the chance to express this in a debate, and settle this once and for all! But we both know this will never happen since pro-fluoridationists do not have the scientific, moral or legal justification for their irrational views, and are therefore huge cowards when it comes to public debate.

      Steven you are so lost on this subject it is hard for me to comprehend how you manage to spend so much free time fighting tooth and nail from behind your keyboard, on all public internet forums (News and Observer, My site, Herald Sun), when your lack of knowledge on even the basic history & reality of public water fluoridation is so glaring! I find it quite funny all the resistance I see you meeting in the public comments from citizens who have done their research and easily debunk your indoctrinated opinions.

      Corey

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